A Wingnut By Any Other Name
I never thought that I would have to write this post, but today has been a hell of a day.
So, where to begin? I have a big mouth.
One major problem with having a big mouth, of course, is that I often find myself telling the same stories repeatedly or belaboring the same point ad nauseum. In order to save time, then, I often speak in a shorthand that only I am aware that I am speaking. This especially becomes a problem when I run into people who are not entirely sure to what I am referring. And nowhere does this problem become more pronounced than in the subject of politics.
On the whole, though, speaking in political shorthand does make for easier dissemination of ideas. Common phrases or memes can be easily distilled in a few words.
One of my favorite frequent targets for mockery in my online travails is the American wingnut. The Urban Dictionary has a rather succinct definition of such:
n. An outspoken, irrational person with deeply-held, nominally conservative, political views. A person who chooses on principle to be flagrantly ignorant. A “right-wing nut”.
Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Fred Phelps are examples of the wingnut element in modern America.
Simple, right? And that’s pretty much been the standing definition of a wingnut for the last eight years or so: an ignorant fool who thinks God sent George W. Bush to take us back to our white, antebellum, “Christian” roots and wants to replace the Constitution with a King James Bible that only they can read.
So how did this idea get twisted around to mean “anyone who disagrees with the Divine Obama”? I’m still puzzling over this development, myself.
I’ll show you what I mean:
Now, I’m not sure when the idea of disagreeing with Obama was somehow equated with being a wingnut, but I’d be willing to place a fair amount of blame on morons like this.
I can see where someone might get the idea that somehow all dissent is racist or wingnuttery. If you have that many voices throwing up that meme, then the idea is a difficult one to escape. But dissent on an issue is not something to be shooed away so summarily.
Having said that, allow me this clarification.
If you think that someone is calling you a wingnut when you are clearly not such, there is a simple catch-all question you can employ to divine if you are the subject at hand: Do you believe that Barack Obama is the legitimate president of the United States? If you answer “yes” to that question, then take heart – you are ***not*** the subject at hand. (If you answered anything other than a swift “yes”, then yes, we are talking about you. In fact, we’re probably laughing at you, too, but that’s a subject for another time.) Yes, I know, someone called me a wingnut when we were talking about [fill-in-the-blank]. Well, there are two probable reasons for that: (a) their head is firmly up their ass and you should ignore them or (b) your personal “I-me” switch is set too high and you should adjust it immediately. Either way, as we accounting nerds say, the singular of “data” is not “anecdote”.
Look, I’m one of those folks who has had issue with some of the ways Obama has handled his business. Health care? I dare anyone to tell me just what the heck Obama was selling when he was running for office. Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Should have been out yesterday; the only surge we should be perpetuating is towards the exit. Warrantless wiretapping and the PATRIOT Act? C’mon, I’m a member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. A day doesn’t go by when I don’t find myself gritting my teeth at something that either Obama or one of his subordinates says or does.
But me, a wingnut? Yeah, right. I’d run off and join a monastery first. Wingnuts don’t like dissent. Wingnuts don’t like anything that bucks the status quo. Wingnuts hate when their beliefs are questioned. That’s why they identify themselves as “conservative”. Because they want to keep things the way they used to see on LEAVE IT TO BEAVER.
So, to those who felt slighted at my assessment of what a wingnut is, I guess what I’m trying to say is: I’m sorry about my big mouth. You are not to whom I was referring. You are NOT the 27% of Americans who think that we were in Iraq to root out Gog and Magog.
Hope that clears that this up a little.

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Glen Campbell
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Guess you haven't seen Code Pink lately.
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Can I be a wingding? Some of them are kind of cute.
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Akiva: nope. But I did catch Michael Moore's letter: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mikes-letter/congratulations-president-obama-nobel-peace-prize-now-please-earn-it
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Michael Moore. The Rush Limbaugh of the progressive left.
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That's certainly the meme that Fox News pushes.
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But since you brought it up, Akiva, how ironic is it that Code Pink and Moore share the same view on Afghanistan? http://www.codepinkalert.org/article.php?list=type&type=392
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I don't think it's ironic. They're on the same team, after all.
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Next, we should add Cindy Sheehan to the pile.
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Why? What did she say?
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Same rhetoric as Moore and Code Pink, of course.
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Get out of a war that doesn't have a purpose anymore?
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To which rhetoric are you referring?
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Yes, yes. We need to focus on the appeasement process.
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What does "the appeasement process" have to do with Afghanistan?
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[head in hands]
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For that matter, what does any of that have to do with getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan, Akiva?
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If you're still asking those questions, Steven, I think it's best for you to do your own research, learn what's going on, and then come back.
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Ah. I see. You make a bold statement, then when asked for particulars, you tell me to do my own research rather than explaining what you said.
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I am directing you to resources, sir. Teach a man to fish, etc.
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Besides, I'm only in this thread to make fun of the baiting, ad hominem, one-sidedness of it after all. I'm not here to educate you!
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Yeah, I've heard that one, too: http://mediamatters.org/research/200408080001
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When people forget that the Left has lots of crazies, I like to bring up the Symbionese Liberation Army - the SLA - the folks that kidnapped Patty Hearst. They were FAAAAAAR Left and very violent, etc.
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yes.
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:(
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And when people like to bring up decades-old militia groups, I like to remind them of the ones we have in this country right now, like the Aryan Brotherhood or the American National Socialist Workers Party or the League of the South.
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And the majority of the new groups aren't too cool with non-whites, women or gays. Don't sound very leftist to me.
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But hell, don't take my word for it: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp
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So, what's your argument here, Steven? That the left can do no wrong? That it's okay to be an extremist nutjob as long as you agree with them?
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No, my argument is that if you're going to equate one person on one side with another on the other, make sure it's a better fit than a four-year-old meme that came from one side or the other.
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Wait, didn't you do just that, though?
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nope.
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Also, "go do your own research" is a pretty lame excuse for " I know I heard it somewhere, but I don't know where and I don't have the time and patience to back up what I have to say myself".
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Except that I didn't say that.
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Maybe I should spend more of my time calling the other side names and posting little funny graphics about it. :)
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"Steven, I think it's best for you to do your own research, learn what's going on, and then come back. "
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I did not write, 'I know I heard it somewhere, but I don't know where and I don't have the time and patience to back up what I have to say myself'
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I mean if you're going to generate all kinds of subtext on your own, I should just step aside and let you do your thing in the spotlight.
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It's not about me or you, Akiva.
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Oh, man, this isn't about to turn into a Broadway number, is it?
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The song stops when you explain the appeasement process you mentioned.
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Except that I don't have to explain anything. The fun thing about trolling someone's thread is that you can say all kinds of outlandish shit and then not have to back up any of it!
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Then really, aren't you the one doing a song and dance?
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More of a ditty and a shuffle.
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Ah. I see. I guess that would suffice in the place of an explanation for the handful of people who have no idea what you're talking about.
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[cue The Price Is Right 'you lose' theme music]
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“A sarcastic person has a superiority complex that can be cured only by the honesty of humility.”
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There aren't enough contestants in this asshole contest.
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'People with no creativity rely on quotes by others.'
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who lost what, Akiva?
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DAMN YOU HIGLET.
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"Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and the frog dies of it. "
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'Outside of a book, a dog is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.'
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"Humor is richly rewarding to the person who employs it. It has some value in gaining and holding attention, but it has no persuasive value at all."
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"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies."
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You're on fire, kiddo! The crowd's lovin' ya! Don't stop now!
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Did you know that the names Obama and Jesus have the same number of letters? CRAZY, RIGHT?
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I/m still waiting for Akiva to explain which appeasement process he was referring to.
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Me, too. That guy sure does owe us all an explanation.
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Steven, why? What's the use? Why do you listen to those idiotic nuts?
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Aw, Sean McGee called me an idiot nut. I'm all sad and whatnot.
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I seriously doubt this conversation would have the same tone in person.
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Jason: put us together and find out. :D
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The funny thing is that I didn't really express any personal opinions. I just snarked with the Code Pink equivalency and watched it go from there. I'm kind of bored now, though.
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OK, but I'm going to get out of the ring after the opening bell
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Well, primarily because there's about three or four "appeasement processes" that nutty ol' Akiva could have meant. So I'd like to make sure which one Akiva is trying to derail this conversation with so I can shoot him down with facts.
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Great. Now I'm never gonna know.
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In all honesty, Steven, there's no appeasement process with Afghanistan. I'm no fan of the conflict there, either.
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I was just stirring shit in here because, well, your post was a shit-stirrer to begin with.
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Guess we all lost then.
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Ah. I see. You took my apology and applied logic to it.
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can we make out now? *takes hands out of pants*
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Hell, no. I'm gonna go back to posting inflammatory items that get wingnuts all hot and bothered.
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Akiva, you misunderstood me. By "idiotic nuts" I was referring to the idiotic (I.e. Michael Moore, Rush) and the moronically nutty (codepink, birthers). And then there's the insane WTF posse...AKA the Nobel Prize committee or whatever they call themselves.
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My only real point here is that no side is guiltless: they all have extremists. And one side having extremists doesn't excuse the other side for having them, too.
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Wow, Sean, you're right. I completely misunderstood. I TOTALLY SUCK AT THE INTERNET.
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And my point is that one side has a hell of lot more guilt accrued over the years than the other. And why we still pay attention to them is beyond me.
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WoH, nice try brokering a peace deal. I nominate you for Nobel Peach prize *rips off Spidra's humourous typo*
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I honestly wasn't paying much attention to wingnuts on any side until they popped up in my feed. ;-)
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Cool! Beers and Google Wave invites all round! :D
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Well, I'm really exhausted from all of the Nobel Peaciness Prize nonsense from earlier today so I'm just going to leave you to it, Steven.
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But, hey, look at that! Over 80 comments. We've really achieved today! Totally achieved!
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Friendfeed: "I'm not dead yet!"
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Facebook: 'It's mostly dead!'
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Word-Up!
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Akiva, YES. (In retrospect, the misunderstanding was due to my lazyness in my use of the iPhone keyboard. Now it appears I have typed more than I originally would have had I constructed my statement in a more coherent manner. In other words, my bad.)
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I don't want Wave. I want a tub of Legos.
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SOme. People. Are. Never. Satisfied
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Legos are pretty cool. Hard to start a civil war with them too, so there's a bonus.




